Showing posts with label Wisdom. Show all posts
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Friday, August 24, 2007

FEMALE TEACHERS IN THE CHURCH? Blasphemy?

BREAKTHROUGH NEWS FOR WOMEN


~Reprint of a newsletter article by DAVID FEES~

A book God's Word to Women by Katharine Bushnell has recently been privately republished. Born in 1856,the author was a medical missionary and a scholar of Hebrew and Greek. Her work provides a doctrinal foundation to the church concerning the role of women in God's plan and in the church. She scripturally breaks down some of the doctrinal and cultural biases that have hindered women in ministry. What makes her different from the feminist movement of recent years is that she believes that the Bible is the inspired Word of God--verbatim. What she has done, through much study of the Hebrew and Greek, a thorough knowledge of the Word', and an understanding of cultural settings, is explain some of the difficult passages that have historically brought women to a lower status than God intended.
To give you an idea of her teachings, I have summarized a few of her insights concerning some of the Scriptures that may have been mistranslated or misinterpreted.
* Gen. 3:16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Context: This statement was a judgment given by God to Eve for her part in the fall.

Traditional Interpretation: The last part shows that men are to rule over women and that a woman's natural desire would be to come under that rule.

Bushnell: The correct interpretation of the last part should be rendered, Thou art turning away [from God] to thy husband, and he will rule over thee. In other words, when Eve turned away from God in the fall, she set a course for women in all history. God did not make men to rule over women, but when sin entered in and rebellion and ignorance followed, women lost their freedom. We see this mishap particularly in cultures which have not had a Christian heritage. The greater that Jesus is allowed to flourish, the more true liberty will result for women. The model is Jesus and the church. Jesus laid down His life for the church. He is head of the church but not in a dictatorial authority. He brings a model of leadership, which is true humility and the giving of one's self for others.

* I Cor. 14:34-35: Let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law. And if they would learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Traditional Interpretation: The men and women were divided in where they sat in church. Paul was addressing a problem in which women would yell out to their husbands across the church. Paul was saying to address the issue at home.

Bushnell: First, there is no law in the Old Testament that states this. There are references in the Jewish Talmud that women should remain silent, but she doubts Paul would quote from it because he was always at odds with their legalism. She makes a strong case that this statement is coming from the Judaizers (Jewish Christians who wanted to retain much of Jewish legalism), and Paul is quoting their argument and then answering it in the next two verses: What? Came the word of God out from you? Or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
She maintains that Paul allowed the ministry of Priscilla and Pheobe to flourish and considered them to be a part of his co-laborers. His practice of allowing them to teach would not be consistent with what many have traditionally interpreted that he taught. She also points out that the traditional interpretation of separation of the sexes would not address single women who had no husband. How would they learn?

* I Tim. 2:12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Traditional Interpretation: Perhaps the most quoted Scripture used as justification that women should not be in public ministry.

Bushnell: There should be no comma after the word "teach", which changes the meaning of the sentence to mean that women were not to teach men, but could teach women. But more importantly, she provides a historical context of this epistle stating that women were in great danger at the time of its writing. The growth of Christianity had made believers great enemies of Rome and the Jews, both which treated women with disdain. To freely allow women open ministry would place women at great risk, and Paul refused to jeopardize their status.
She maintains that this admonition is a personal one similar to his suggestion to Timothy to drink some wine for his stomach's sake. While she believes the Word of God is inviolable and absolute. there are personal words given in the context of' Scriptures that are not intended for all believers at all times in history. For instance, Paul told 'I'imothy to bring the cloak and books with him that he had left at Troas with Carpus (II Tim. 4:13). Anyone would know that this piece of instruction was meant for a situation at that time. No one expects us to be looking for a cloak at Troas as part of our spiritual obedience.
She contends that Paul did not practice this teaching of refusing a woman to teach, neither did he teach it in other settings. She states that while men are quick to jump on this Scripture and others like it to justify their view of male dominance, they do not adhere to other teachings that are in a similar cast such as when Paul wished that all men were single and celibate like himself. Very few men have taken Paul up on that one.

Ephesians 5:22: Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Bushnell: The word submit is not the best rendering of this word. A better translation, to be in subjection, does not mean to blindly obey. She uses a base Scripture for this point: No man can serve two masters (Matt. 6:24). The Word tells us to obey those who have the rule over us in Romans 12 (speaking of' civil government), but Scripture also gives us the right for civil disobedience when man's law tries to supercede God's law. An employee cannot follow his employer into sin. Neither can a wife follow a husband into immorality or deception. Like the apostles, we must say that we must obey God rather than man.
She maintains that while Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord (I Pet. 3:6), God told Abraham in the manner of Hagar and Ishmael to obey his wife. So there is a balance that must be maintained through humility and mutual subjection to each other.
In ministry, she points out that Paul enjoins the Corinthians to submit (or subject themselves) unto every one that helpeth with us, and laboreth (I Cor. 16:16). In Romans 16:3, he calls Priscilla his helper. We know that Phoebe and other women assisted him, thus there is an admonition that men should be in subjection to those women ministries who are in a place of leadership. No man would interpret these Scriptures to mean blind obedience, but rather to defer to them in mutual respect, honor, humility, meekness, forbearance, and the yielding of one's preferences."




Psalm 77
To the Chief Musician. To Jeduthun. A Psalm of Asaph.

I cried out to God with my voice—

To God with my voice; And He gave ear to me.

In the day of my trouble I sought the Lord;

My hand was stretched out in the night without ceasing;

My soul refused to be comforted.

I remembered God, and was troubled;

I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed.

You hold my eyelids open; I am so troubled that I cannot speak.

I have considered the days of old,The years of ancient times.

I call to remembrance my song in the night;

I meditate within my heart, And my spirit makes diligent search.

Will the Lord cast off forever? And will He be favorable no more?

Has His mercy ceased forever?

Has His promise failed forevermore?

Has God forgotten to be gracious?

Has He in anger shut up His tender mercies? Selah

And I said, “This is my anguish;

But I will remember the years of the right hand of the Most High.”

I will remember the works of the LORD; Surely I will remember Your wonders of old.

I will also meditate on all Your work,

And talk of Your deeds.

Your way, O God, is in the sanctuary;

Who is so great a God as our God?

You are the God who does wonders;

You have declared Your strength among the peoples.

You have with Your arm redeemed Your people,

The sons of Jacob and Joseph.

The waters saw You, O God;

The waters saw You, they were afraid;

The depths also trembled.

The clouds poured out water; The skies sent out a sound;

Your arrows also flashed about.

The voice of Your thunder was in the whirlwind;

The lightnings lit up the world;

The earth trembled and shook.

Your way was in the sea,

Your path in the great waters,

And Your footsteps were not known.

You led Your people like a flock

By the hand of Moses and Aaron.

Jesus Christ ~Genuine Example~

We're all Playing 'Follow the Leader..'
Here's My Leader


~Having dismissed the multitudes, he went into a mountain alone to pray. Matthew 14-23



~Rising very early, going out, he went Into a desert place: and there he prayed. Mark 1-35


~When he had dismissed them, he went up to the mountain to pray. Mark 6-46


~It came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also being baptized and praying, heaven was opened. Luke 3-21


~He retired into the desert and prayed. Luke 5-16


~He went out into a mountain to pray: and he passed the whole night in the prayer of God. Luke 6-12


~It came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples also were with him: and he asked them, saying: Whom do the people say that I am? Luke 9-18


~It came to pass, about eight days after these words, that he took Peter and James and John and went up into a mountain to pray. And while he prayed, the shape of his countenance was altered and his raiment became white and glittering. Luke 9-28


~As he was in a certain place praying, when he ceased, one of his disciples said to him: Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples. And he said to them: When you pray, say: Father, hallowed-(holy) be your name. Luke 11:1-4


~But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren. Luke 22-32


~Going a little further, he fell upon his face, praying and saying: My Father, if It be possible, let this chalice pass from me. Nevertheless, not as I will but as you will. . . . Again the second time, he went and prayed, saying: My Father, if this chalice may not pass, but I must drink it, your will be done. And he came again and found them sleeping: for their eyes were heavy... Matthew 26-39 / 42-44


~Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. Luke 23-34


~Jesus crying with a loud voice, said: Father, into your hands I commit my spirit. Luke 23-46


~Jesus lifting up his eyes, said: Father, I give you thanks that you have heard me. And I knew that you hear me always; but because of the people who stand about have I said it, that they may believe that you have sent me. When he had said these things, he cried with a loud voice: "Lazarus, come forth!". John 11:41-43


~Christ's prayer after the Last Supper. John 17: 1-26

THE COMMANDMENTS

I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

You shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you.

Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with you in the land the Lord your God is giving you.

You shall not murder.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbor's house or land, his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Deuteronomy 5:6-21

"Hear O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates." Deuteronomy 6:4-9

When asked which was the greatest commandment of the law, Jesus replied,
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Jesus said, "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." John 15:12, 13

HEALING SCRIPTURES

Deuteronomy 7:13 And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

Deuteronomy 28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

Deuteronomy 28:11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

Proverbs 20:7 The just man walketh in his integrity: his children are blessed after him.

Psalms 37:26 He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.

Psalms 112:2 His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed.

Psalms 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Isaiah 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

Psalms 128:3 Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table.

Genesis 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:

Exodus 23:26 There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: the number of thy days I will fulfil.

Isaiah 54:13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

Isaiah 66:9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

1 John 5:18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him.

1 Peter 1:5 who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one.

John 17:15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.

2 Thessalonians 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one.

Isaiah 53:4-5 Surely He has borne our griefs-sickness, weakness and distress- and carried our sorrows and pain [of punishment]: yet we ignorantly considered Him stricken, smitten, and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy]. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities: the chastisement needful to obtain peace and well-being for us was upon Him; and with the stripes that wounded Him we are healed and made whole.

Matthew 8:16-17 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: {17} That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Proverbs 4:20-23 My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. {21} Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. {22} For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh. {23} Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

Joshua 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

Exodus 23:25 And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.

Deuteronomy 7:15 And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.

Psalms 103:1-5 A Psalm of David. Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. {2} Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: {3} Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; {4} Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; {5} Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.

Psalms 107:20 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.

Jeremiah 30:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD;

James 1:2-4 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; {3} Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. {4} But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that He should lie; nor a son of man, that he should change His mind, Does He speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?

Galatians 3:13-14 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: {14} That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Mark 11:22-24 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. {23} For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. {24} Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Hebrews 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompense of reward.

3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

1 John 5:14-15 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: {15} And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

2 Corinthians 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) {5} Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Nahum 1:9 What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Hebrews 6:18 It is impossible for God to lie.

Jeremiah 1:12 Then said the LORD to me, you have seen well: for I am alert and active watching over my word to perform it.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

2 Corinthians 4:17-18 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; {18} While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Delivered from Homosexuality.

BEING GAY...
(The Roberta Laurila Story)
By: Roberta Laurila
Right from the day of my birth, there was a hint of future problems. When my mother first saw me, she expressed her love for me, then remembered she only had a boy's name chosen. Thus Robert became Roberta.
During childhood, my mother's heart condition and crippling arthritis kept her from doing the usual things with me that my friend's mothers did. I became a loner and a daydreamer. At the age of eight, I was imitating everything my older brother did, from smoking cigarettes to dating girls.
IN LOVE
When I was ten, I "fell in love" for the very first time with my lady school teacher. This crush lasted for three years until our paths separated when I began my freshman year in high school. My heart was grieved until I met a beautiful brunette in my class and new love sprang up in my heart. Of course I couldn't speak of this love to anyone. I began to realize that somehow, I was different. My whole being cried out to love and be loved. Living with my secret longings through those teen years was so difficult.
I tried being like my friends and began dating young men when my father would allow it. When he wouldn't, I became angry and rebellious. I built a bad reputation for myself and as the small town tongues began wagging, I started withdrawing, antagonistic toward all.
ABUSE
My Christian mother was very patient during those years, but my father was under conviction for not accepting the Lord. His cursing raged out of control nearly every night as he verbally abused my mother. These times sent me into a rage. It was during this time in my life that I decided no man would ever treat me like that.
I also rejected my father for getting mom pregnant again. She was in ill health and she hadn't wanted another child. I had also heard many stories of my father's first wife dying at childbirth and that filled me with fears of having children. No way was that for me.
Then at sixteen, my "steady" boyfriend tried to rape me. That event really confirmed to me that sex was filthy and an abomination.
TWO MARRIAGES
After high school, all my girlfriends were getting married. I became fearful of being left out. In desperation, I gave in to my brother's suggestion to meet one of his friends, twelve years older than myself. In less than three months, I married this man whom I didn't even love. After two years, I divorced him and began writing to a man in the Armed Forces who had loved me before my marriage. The decision to marry him came when I learned he would soon be going to Germany in active combat. I could receive an allotment check and wouldn't have to live with him. What a farce! Less than two years later, he came home and I soon divorced him.
Not long after, the Holy Spirit began to convict me of my sin. I had attended tent meetings in a Pentecostal church when I was a child and marched to the front night after night to get saved. But I'd given it all up when I realized I couldn't be good in the days following.
When I began to feel pangs of guilt, this made Satan angry. Soon after, I was introduced to a lesbian who had been in that lifestyle a long time and knew the ropes. She was a bad influence on me and soon I began drinking, which I had never done. The second night, she invited me to spend the night with her. I began meeting other lesbians and partying far too much. Not long after, I was fired from my job.
I soon met a girl who was my "type" and we lived together for eight years. Because of the guilt and drinking, my fits of jealousy and temper became uncontrollable. Then I left my first friend and began living with another. After a year I nearly killed her in the car after drinking too much wine. Needless to say, she left me for good.
SALVATION
I was home alone the afternoon of October 7, 1955. With fear and panic in my heart, I made the decision to take my own life. I was too ashamed to commit myself to an institution to find help for my troubled mind. Pride was still very much alive, even though I thought I was beyond help. I wondered how to call my friend to ask for her forgiveness. I wanted so much to be forgiven, but it seemed out of the question.
I started for the kitchen to turn on the gas jets. I had already had a few drinks to try to give me courage. Just before I entered the kitchen door, I fell to my knees in front a chair. With tears streaming down my face, I cried out, "God forgive me. God forgive me!'
Only later did I realize that I was saved at that moment. The Holy Spirit came to live within me, and began leading me in ways that confirmed my salvation. But in rebellion, I still held onto my old friends.
I had two lesbian relationships after my salvation. "God doesn't expect me to "quit loving women," I reasoned. Of course, I couldn't stop without supernatural help. And I didn't have anyone else to help. This was years before God raised up former homosexuals to begin ministries.
Ten years after I received Jesus Christ as my Savior, I was still living in sin. God began allowing me to feel the consequences of my rebellion. I could not have survived the trauma that followed without the Lord's care and mercy. God allowed the devil to pour out his wrath in such a devastating way. I still shudder at his trickery. With demonic signs and wonders, Satan convinced me that God wanted me to live with another woman while involved in Christian ministry.
The climax came following the suicidal death of a dear friend whom I had betrayed. It was from that shocking emotional experience that my stubborn will was broken. I promised God that I would not let her death be for nothing. Then came the vision.
THE VISION
While living in what seemed to be a hell on earth with my lover, God came to me one night. I was alone and in deep despair, The Lord gave me a spiritual vision of a worldwide ministry. This outreach would reach homosexuals who wanted a close relationship with Jesus Christ and who wanted to be set free from their sin.
As the vision unfolded, I knew God was saying I must leave this lifestyle forever. I was to begin interceding for Him to raise up individuals from the gay lifestyle and others, truly called by Him, to begin specific ministries to homosexuals.
Six years after the vision, God directed me to write my personal testimony of deliverance from lesbianism. My story entitled "Gay Liberation" was published in book form in 1975. It was the first of its kind and not many bookstores would accept it, due to the subject, which was "hush-hush" at the time.
INTERCESSION
Much has happened since that time. While I continued to intercede, God began calling forth former gays to minister. God has blessed my friendships with many of the "pioneers" in the Exodus movement, such as Frank Worthen, Robbi Kenney, Ed Hurst, and others. I have been blessed also to see many ministries begin in foreign soil. What a wonderful God He is!
God has kept me at a low profile. At times, I have rebelled concerning this. But deep down, I know I was called to intercede for others to be led by the Holy Spirit into the entire world.
Even as I write these words, tears are flowing down my cheeks. Surely God will complete His perfect plan to reach the many millions of the lost who have been so rejected and lonely so many years. I weep for the church, blinded by the enemy so it cannot see the need to teach gays. So many Christians cannot truly believe that God can set these people free. My great desire now is to reach those in the gay church. I am believing God to also work a miracle there. Our God reigns!
If you would like to contact me I can be reached at P.O. Box 403, Grandville, MI 49468 or 616-645-5683. I would love to help you in any way I can.
God Bless,Roberta Laurila

Young Student poses a threat to Athiest Professer!

"The professor of a university challenged his students with this question. "Did God create everything that exists?" A student answered bravely, "Yes, he did". The professor then asked, "If God created everything, then he created evil. Since evil exists (as noticed by our own actions), so God is evil. The student couldn't respond to that statement causing the professor to conclude that he had "proved" that "belief in God" was a fairy tale, and therefore worthless. Another student raised his hand and asked the professor, "May I pose a question? " "Of course" answered the professor. The young student stood up and asked : "Professor does Cold exists?" The professor answered, "What kind of question is that?...Of course the cold exists... haven't you ever been cold?" The young student answered, "In fact sir, Cold does not exist. According to the laws of Physics, what we consider cold, in fact is the absence of heat. Anything is able to be studied as long as it transmits energy (heat). Absolute Zero is the total absence of heat, but cold does not exist. What we have done is create a term to describe how we feel if we don't have body heat or we are not hot." "And, does Dark exist?", he continued. The professor answered "Of course". This time the student responded, "Again you're wrong, Sir. Darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in fact simply the absence of light. Light can be studied, darkness can not. Darkness cannot be broken down. A simple ray of light tears the darkness and illuminates the surface where the! light beam finishes. Dark is a term that we humans have created to describe what happens when there's lack of light." Finally, the student asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?" The professor replied, "Of course it exists, as I mentioned at the beginning, we see violations, crimes and violence anywhere in the world, and those things are evil." The student responded, "Sir, Evil does not exist. Just as in the previous cases, Evil is a term which man has created to describe the result of the absence of God's presence in the hearts of man. After this, the professor bowed down his head, and didn't answer back.
The young man's name was ALBERT EINSTEIN.

Corresponding with an Athiest

I wrote to this person, after previously visiting his site. I'm not interested in throwing stones at anyone, So I choose not to refer you to him. I dont want to make a mockery of him. But I feel this conversation explains a lot, we need to understand. It begins with my letter to him. The sections are color coded. My responses in blue, his in white.

I didn’t see if you had responded to my last comment, so I don’t know what ground you stand on. I want to talk to you like an adult. I don’t want to go into this huge theatrical debate with you. Not saying you produce this, but going on what I've seen in your comments. I just want to say, how brilliant I feel you could be. You seem to have collected your evidence to build the perfect case. But there is something you are missing, and this is called, hunger. You have no hunger to venture out into something new. Something strange, unfamiliar. It seems your soul is dead, because you will not allow it to go any further. This is a sad mistake my friend. When you stop the tracks on something like, Growth.. You no longer receive, the warmth, which a beating heart will give. I see these things that you write, that you study, that you respond to. I see these people stand behind you as if YOU are there GOD. It becomes a chain reaction, toppling into everyone that stumbles onto your site. It’s very dangerous, and honestly selfish. Who are to tell all of these people, there is no GOD. Who are you to state something that Grand, as a fact. Who are you to mock others, for something that they believe in? Who are you to stand back and laugh while the horrible show that you produced, goes into a wild frenzy? I see this and I just think... gross! GROSS! This is completely gross. And it is not only because you are slandering and shaming someone YOU have never met, it’s also because you are advocating so much hate. YOU can call it what you want, BUT IT IS HATE. Placing information and having a discussion about something is one thing. But you have taken it to bashing other religions, that you just "KNOW" are wrong, Threatening other members that comment and react to you, Coming in behind almost everyone’s comments, and posting EVERY TINY REASON, why these people are probably wrong, and posting other writings from other people, as a way to ridicule them in front of the class.... I mean, seriously, who taught you how to interact with people? It seems you forget that not everyone, has traveled down the same road as you, and you have somewhere, decided this makes them unworthy! Just get over it! Christians, atheists, humanists, Buddhists, protestants, Catholics, hinduists, monks, presidents, communists, the English, the Canadians, atheists, Mormons, theists, Taoists.. All people.. ALL OF US ARE GUILTY! ALL OF US ARE GUILTY OF HATE! ALL OF US ARE GUILTY OF COMING ON TO STRONG! ALL OF US ARE GUILTY OF BACKSTABBING, SLANDER, GLUTTONY.... ALL of us man. Nothing is going to change until we make the decisions to make it happen. Everyone will figure out the answer to that ultimate question. And if I am right, then GOOD, I'm going to a beautiful and wondrous place after all of this. Forever. But if I'm wrong, alright, I'll never know anyway will I? I'll be dead and in the ground or in the water. And so will you right? And so will all of those other people!!! SO even if the idea of Christianity is not OK with you, doesn’t mean EVERYONE has to feel the same way. Why don’t you focus on your own life. Because if you are not teaching others how to love to each other and how to overcome these mountains in each others lives, then you don’t need to be teaching others at all, because this world is already fussed up as it is. And if you ever want these people, to STOP "Shoving religion down your throat"- then stop shoving your, "Assumptions" on them. Life works TWO ways. Respect works two ways. I wish you would think about it. Please don’t send me every paragraph back, commented on... This would mean that you took nothing from this but offense. That is not how I meant it at all. Consider the idea, that YOU are wrong. Consider the thought, that if everything in the bible is true, then you have some major life changing, thinking to do. Consider... WHAT IF????? Peace- The Prodigal Son


You are speaking to a former Christian, friend. Like I tell everybody who is a seeker of Truth (with a big 'T'), Truth only points in one direction, and confirmation bias is not a good compass. I am not against the idea of God. Go to my page, not my blog, and look at the thesis of my website. I am only an atheist with respect to the Judeo Christian God (once again, see the thesis). I wish we could all just get along, and go about our business, and live together in harmony, but when I see things such as this: Are we becoming the laughing stock of the world? I am forced to respond. If you want to get a better understanding of why I do what I do here, I suggest you look at this recent blog I have posted, and really think about what Sam Harris has to say: Religious Moderation Also, pick up Sam Harris' book, "The End of Faith". And to show you I am a good sport, I will take down the blog I have recently posted, which resides in the Top ten myspace blogs, where I picked on one person in particular (how he said Jesus fixed his car).


Fair enough. I have seen your sight. I have read through your blogs. And the other videos you just sent. I just watched those. But what I saw was a video, of people who put together something they believed in.(the new creation museum- that gives us an idea about how creation was put together- according the the bible.) I saw a man, give me his reasons why God is angry. (sam harris- commenting on how angry GOD was in the old testament)When I hear people say, GOD is angry, it makes me wonder how far into the word they have truly studied? The more I study- especially the Old Testament, the more I find comfort in the things I read before. I know, that there are things we do not yet understand, if we are ever meant to. I know that GOD is not something you can put in a box, and say this is GOD, in this box, and here are all his words, around him. History is something that we can always learn from. So you used to be a Christian. I did not know that. But im not surprised, to be honest.. I happen to see and meet a lot of people who are former Christians, for some reason or the other. Most I've found, just didn’t stick with it long enough, to have these questions answered, or never had faith in the first place. We've gone away from god, and resorted to something we can see with our own eyes, and touch with our hands. And obviously this is something that’s been touched on from centuries, because even the apostles needed proof. Humor me for a second. Last night, I had somewhat of a breakdown. Wondering why things have to be the way are. I went somewhere quiet. It needed to be just me and him. So I went outside, sat on my trampoline, and stared into the sky. My emotions got the best of me. I felt in my spirit, "Do you want me to give you proof?" I said, "No... I just want help." Minutes later. 3 shooting stars graced my view. At first I thought.. He gave me proof anyway. But I soon realized, No, this is not proof. Because it’s still something I have to have faith in. Like everything else. And this circles true Christianity. Faith. You remember... Jesus taught this as much importance. This would be what defines us. And I believe... it truly does. What my thought is...what if you are clouded? What if your mind is clouded? What if you can't see the truth, because you have your eyes fixed on something physical. GOD is so big... I don’t think it would be the same, if we all had iron clad proof of his existence. And the point is, we don’t have iron clad proof of his existence, or his non-existence. Now if we read this over again, out loud.. And EVEN- and that’s a HUGE even.. Even if, the bible is wrong, and we are not meant for something bigger.. Don’t you think it would be better to live a life of love, rather than a life, spending so much effort trying to disprove something you can never disprove? And the tragedy is, if you ARE wrong about this.. You are not only taking your self to an eternity without GOD, you are taking millions and millions of others with you. Not to mention Sam Harris.. And so many others preaching these same messages. It seems that if someone’s blood is pumping, that this would weigh on their conscience tremendously. And so many people who do believe in Jesus, and his words.. Affected so greatly when they read these things. And all of these people that are clueless and have no idea what love is.. And are filled with animosity and anger.. And zero tolerance for even the mention of creation or Jesus.. All these people are just feeding the beast, when getting together with you and these others.. And its just becomes a ravage beast fest, ripping each other apart! I wonder how deep you went with GOD.. If you were a former Christian. It makes me think you just "Went by the book." as we say. It seems you only skimmed the surface. Do you feel you have ever had a relationship with GOD?

Consider: every devout Muslim has the same reasons for being a Muslim that you have for being a Christian. And yet you do not find their reasons compelling. The Koran repeatedly declares that it is the perfect word of the creator of the universe. Muslims believe this as fully as you believe the Bible's account of itself. There is a vast literature describing the life of Muhammad that, from the point of view of Islam, proves that he was the most recent Prophet of God. Muhammad also assured his followers that Jesus was not divine (Koran 5:71-75; 19:30-38) and that anyone who believes otherwise will spend eternity in hell. Muslims are certain that Muhammad's opinion on this subject, as on all others, is infallible. Why don't you lose any sleep over whether to convert to Islam? Can you prove that Allah is not the one, true God? Can you prove that the archangel Gabriel did not visit Muhammad in his cave? Of course not. But you need not prove any of these things to reject the beliefs of Muslims as absurd. The burden is upon them to prove that their beliefs about God and Muhammad are valid. They have not done this. They cannot do this. Muslims are simply not making claims about reality that can be corroborated. This is perfectly apparent to anyone who has not anesthetized himself with the dogma of Islam. The truth is, you know exactly what it is like to be an atheist with respect to the beliefs of Muslims. Isn't it obvious that Muslims are fooling themselves? Isn't it obvious that anyone who thinks that the Koran is the perfect word of the creator of the universe has not read the book critically? Isn't it obvious that the doctrine of Islam represents a near-perfect barrier to honest inquiry? Yes, these things are obvious. Understand that the way you view Islam is precisely the way devout Muslims view Christianity. And it is the way I view all religions.

This is all true, and you make a fair case. So heres how I figure this one out. When comparing the Koran to the bible, and "YHWH" to "ALLAH" - I must look at prophecies fulfilled. "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." - Deuteronomy 18:22 alright- so lets see. Heres some comparisons. Jeremiah preached as a prophet in about 626 B.C., and YHWH (the God of the Bible) declared through Jeremiah that, because of their sins, God would bring King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon against the southern kingdom of Judah to defeat and destroy their land, and to carry them off to captivity in Babylon (and in other nations) for 70 years; But when the 70 years were over, Babylon would be defeated (Jeremiah 25:8-14), and then the Lord (YHWH) would bring the people of Judah out of Babylon (and out of those other nations) and back to their land (Jeremiah 29:10-11). These predictions qualify as the type of prophecy we are looking for, because it is not a declaration of Jeremiah's own plans which he can self-fulfill. And further, there are six specific predictions listed here: *"King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon" would attack the people of "Judah" *the "defeat" of Judah by Babylon *Judah's "captivity" in Babylon for a period of "70 years," *Judah's restoration back into "their land." Very importantly, concerning these predictions: The action of taking people captive (which is done by Nebuchadnezzar), as well as the length of the captivity, would be outside the control of the prophet or of the people of Judah. Fulfillment: Archaeology and ancient history confirm the precise fulfillment of these six predictions of Jeremiah, because in the year 606 B.C. (20 years after the prophecy), King Nebuchadnezzar's armies subdued Judah, taking thousands of Jews captive to Babylon (and other nations). This captivity process continued (including the fall of Jerusalem in 605 B.C.) until virtually all of the people of Judah were taken captive. (By the way, here's another prophecy: In 595 B.C, Jeremiah also foretold the fall of Babylon to the Medes --in Jeremiah 51:11,28). This Babylonian captivity of Judah lasted until Babylon fell to Medo-Persia (fulfilling Jeremiah's prophecy of 595 B.C.). Then Cyrus the Persian King decreed in 536 B.C. that the Jews could return to their land, which many of them did --though not all of them, as it was not promised that all of them would return at that time. Thus, the captivity lasted 70 years --precisely as foretold! The accurate fulfillment of this multi-faceted predictive prophecy demonstrates that Jeremiah is a genuine prophet who wrote a book of genuine prophecy which gives God's words --and that the God of Jeremiah (YHWH) is truly God, who knows people's actions before they do them, and who manages the course of history. This is one example of dozens of fulfilled biblical predictions that could be given. ---In fact, a number of additional fulfilled predictions from the Bible are described on this WorldView_3 website at: for exp: DANIEL is another book in which we find another example of genuine prophecy began its fulfillment soon after the fulfillment of the above prophecy. Daniel wrote his book in 538 B.C., and was one of the Jews taken in the 70-year Babylonian captivity. In Daniel 9:25, we read that from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, until the coming of Messiah (the "Anointed One", in Hebrew: "Mashiach"), 69 heptads of years would elapse [7+62=69]. Each heptad (or "week", in Hebrew: "Shabuim") is a group of seven years, therefore, from the decree until Messiah, 483 years would go by [69x7=483]. -----So, what happened in history?----- An overarching decree, for the purpose of returning the Jews to Israel to rebuild Jerusalem, was issued in 457 B.C. by the Persian king Artaxerxes. If we add the 483 years to this date, we come out to the year 26 A.D., which is about the very year that Jesus of Nazareth was baptized (anointed with water and with the Holy Spirit) to begin his public ministry. This is a strong fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy, but Daniel added a couple other things about Messiah: He said that Messiah would be "cut off" (v.26), which is an idiom for being killed. This happened when Jesus was crucified at the end of his earthly ministry. And Daniel also said that after the 69 heptads (483 yrs) were over, the city [Jerusalem] and the sanctuary would be destroyed ...which happened in 70 A.D. when the Roman legions under Titus destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. It is important to note from this prophecy in Daniel, that the appearance of Messiah had to occur at the end of the 69 heptads [483 years], but before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Jesus of Nazareth was ministering right at the end of the 69 heptads, and, other than he, there is no other credible choice to fulfill this prophecy concerning Messiah. This text in Daniel 9 is the only text in the entire Old Testament which explicitly speaks of the "Messiah", and it says that he will be "cut off" (die). In reference to Muslims being subject to hell for the belief in Jesus: (Hope your still with me!) 1. Messiah to be a descendant of Abraham & Sarah - Genesis 12:2-3 ; 17:15-17 ; 18:18 (Fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth - Matthew 1:1 ; Luke 3:33 ; Acts 3:25.) Logic: How many 90-year-old couples have ever born a child? (From 1500 B.C to 1900 A.D.) Thus... The Chance = 1 chance out of 1,000,000 2. Messiah to be a descendant of Isaac - Genesis 17:19 (Fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth - Matthew 1:2 ; Luke 3:33) Logic: Abraham had two sons. (But the other son, Ishmael, was not by Sarah). Thus... The Chance = 1 chance out of 2 3. Messiah to be a descendant of Judah- Genesis 49:10 (Fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth - Matthew1:3; Luke 3:33) Logic: Israel (Jacob) had 12 sons who became the 12 tribes. Thus... The Chance = 1 out of 12 4. Messiah to be a descendant of David - Isaiah 9:7 (Fulfilled in Jesus - Matthew 1:6 ; Luke 3:31) Logic: David was one of 8 sons. Thus... The Chance = 1 out of 8 5. Birth-Place of Messiah, the "Eternal One", to be in Bethlehem, Israel - Micah 5:2 (Fulfilled in Jesus - Matthew 2:1 ; Luke 2:4-7) Logic: How many towns have Jews lived in around the world since 1500 B.C.? Thus... The Chance = 1 out of 1000 6. The Time of Messiah's ministry specified - Daniel 9:25 (Fulfilled in Jesus - (see above) Logic: How many generations of Jews have there been? Thus... The Chance = 1 out of 100 7. Messiah to be born of a virgin - Isaiah 7:14 (Fulfilled in Jesus - Matthew 1:18 ; Luke 1:26-35) Logic: Though basically a miracle, there may be some small chance. (up to 1900 A.D.) Thus... The Chance = 1 out of 1,000,000 8. Messiah flees to Egypt to live for a while, and returns to Israel - Hosea 11:1 (Fulfilled in Jesus - Matthew 2:14-15) Logic: What percentage of Jews have ever lived in Egypt? Thus... The Chance = 1 out of 1000 9. Messiah to be a prophet like Moses, with miracles, authority over the Scriptures - Deut. 18:15 (Fulfilled in Jesus - John 6:14 ; John 1:45 ; Acts 3:19-26) Logic: How many Jews have major prophetic status, still recognized worldwide long after death? The Chance = 1 out of 1,000,000 10. Messiah to enter Jerusalem triumphantly, as a King, ...riding on a donkey - Zechariah 9:9 (Fulfilled in Jesus - John 12:12-14 ; Matthew 21:1-11) Logic: How many Jews have ever done precisely this? The Chance = 1 out of 1,000,000 11. Messiah, though innocent, is rejected and dies for our sins - Isaiah 53:3-5,9,12 (Fulfilled in Jesus - John 1:11,29 ; John 8:46 ; Hebrews 4:15 ; John 15:23-25 ; Matthew 8:16-17) Logic: How many people (besides Jesus) are sinless? ...and died for the sins of others? Thus... The Chance = 1 out of 1,000,000 12. Messiah to be crucified, bones disjointed, mocked, lots cast for clothing - Psalm 22:6-8,16-18 (Fulfilled in Jesus - Matthew 27:32f ; John 19:16) Logic: How many have been crucified, also including just these circumstances? Thus... The Chance = 1 out of 1,000,000 13. Messiah's side to be pierced at the behest of the people of Jerusalem - Zechariah 12:10 (Fulfilled in Jesus - John 19:34) Logic: The number of crucified victims at Jerusalem with a stab in the side? Thus... The Chance = 1 out of 1000 14. Messiah's body does not decay, but is resurrected in three days - Psalm 16:10 ; Isaiah 53:11 (Fulfilled in Jesus - Matthew 28 ; Mark 16 ; Luke 24 ; John 20 ; Acts 1 ; 1 Corinthians 15) Logic: How many people have come back to life after being dead for three days? Thus... The Chance = 1 out of 1,000,000 15. Messiah to ascend into heaven, and rightly called "Lord" - Psalm 68:18 (Fulfilled in Jesus - Luke 24:50-51 ; Acts 1:9-11) Logic: Very few men have ascended into heaven without mechanical means. Thus... The Chance = 1 out of 1,000,000 ALSO Here is GOD telling us, our proof is in these words. "I am the LORD [Hebrew = "YHWH"]; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols. See, the former things have taken place, and new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you" (Isa. 42:8-9). "Bring in your idols to tell us what is going to happen. ...declare to us the things to come, tell us what the future holds, so we may know that you are gods!" - Isaiah 41:22-23 "Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare ...what is yet to come-- yes, let him foretell what will come!" - Isaiah 44:7 "I am God and there is none like me. I make known from ancient times ...what is still to come" (Isa. 44:9,10). So most would be saying, Their are prophecies in the koran which were fulfilled too! (Im sending this to you as is, and will send a follow up concerning the Koran. Please wait for it.) :)

See my blog: FAILED PROPHECIES

Concerning prophecies fulfilled in the Koran: Some people have said that predictive prophecy is found in Sura 5:70, which states: "We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them apostles, every time, there came to them an apostle with what they themselves desired not - some (of these) they called impostors, and some they (go so far as to) slay." --The problem here is: there is not even a future-tense verb in this sentence. It must be considered history, and thus, there is no prediction in it. --This passage is very similar to Matt. 24:37, where Jesus said: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing." This Bible verse is also history, without prediction in it. ---Despite the clear similarities of these two verses from the Koran and the Bible, neither one of them is predictive, and thus, neither one is useful for our purposes in trying to demonstrate the presence of the power of God to predict future events, which would be evidence that the speaker is a true prophet or that book is from God. Sura 15:9 says, "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)." --So, here we find a promise to guard the message of the Koran. This verse is fairly similar to the declaration of Jesus in Mat. 24:35, when he said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away." --With the admittedly predictive nature of both of these passages, neither one can yet be said to be truly and completely fulfilled, since we have not yet reached the final consummation of history, where God finally confirms the eternal nature of his word --therefore neither passage can yet be said to be fulfilled, nor can they yet be cited as demonstrating the power of God to predict the future. Sura 24:55 says that Allah has promised to bless (with land? and inheritance?) those who believe, and to establish the authority of their religion and give them security and peace. --This "prediction" might seem to be fulfilled in some sense, but it is quite general, since it does not clearly or specifically name the person(s) who will be blessed nor the specific land-mass they will inherit: Is it every Muslim? What is the specific name of the land? How soon will they have peace and security, and how long will it last? --It is because of these unclear and non-specific qualities of this "prediction" in Sura 24, that therefore, it does not qualify as predictive prophecy which is specific enough that we can confirm it from history. --The Bible has many such promises as well. The Best Quranic Possibility: Of the 22 predictions presented by Hingora for acceptance, we are left with one last Koranic passage, Sura 30:2-3, which says: "The Roman Empire has been defeated in a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious within a few years." ---Now, of all the proffered predictions from the Koran, this one from Sura 30 comes the closest to being a specific prediction which names the people involved (the "Roman Empire"), and what will happen (they will be victorious), and when ("within a few years"). This passage refers to the time when the Persians (under Khusran Parvis) defeated the Byzantine Romans in Syria (in A.D. 615). However, there are a few problems which seem to disqualify this passage as a significant predictive prophecy: FIRST: The most serious problem may be that the statements in Sura 30 may merely be history, and not a prediction, because Mohammed was alive and still producing Koranic verses for several years after the time of the suggested Roman victory in history. We know this is the case, because Mohammed died in 632 A.D. at the age of 63. According to Al-Baizawi's commentary, the Byzantine Romans were evidently victorious over Persia in 628 A.D., and so, Mohammed was alive for four years after that victory ---therefore, Mohammed could easily have learned of the victory and then have dictated these verses of Sura 30. This would make Sura 30 history, not a prediction. ---Another story indicates that there may have been a Roman victory in 624 A.D., and in such a case, Mohammed would have had eight years in which to learn of the victory and then to dictate this part of Sura 30. Therefore, this would not be a prediction in Sura 30, but a statement of history. Indeed, biographers indicate that Mohammed was still producing quranic verses in the year 632 --therefore, it is very likely that these verses of Sura 30 may only be history, and not predictions at all. SECOND: It is a very safe bet that in "a few" years the Romans would be "victorious" in some battle somewhere, since they were fighting several battles during every given year. At least one victory would seem almost 100% sure to happen within the space of nine years. (Mohammed himself stated that what was meant by the "small number" or "a few years" is between three and nine years, according to Al-Baizawi in his commentary). --But, amazingly, although a few people say there was supposedly a victory within nine years, but this is doubtful, as Al-Bazawi's commentary indicates that a Byzantine Roman victory over Persia was actually in A.D. 628 (which was thirteen years later). --Not only that, but (as was mentioned in the first point) Mohammed probably already knew about the Roman victory. So, the problem is: the Sura 30 prediction is virtually a sure bet. --It is much like saying that the British soccer team will win a game during the next season. This is also much like the mummification of a pharaoh, which is also almost a sure bet, which Mohammed most likely already knew about. ---Is such a safe "prediction" supposed to be significant? Why should anyone be impressed with it? --Therefore, Sura 30:2-3 most probably is history, and isn't a prediction at all. Muslims in Hell Going beyond the discussion about Abu Lahab, the Koran actually says that all Muslims will go to hell, and further, it does not promise or guarantee than any of them will necessarily ever get out of it. -- This is stated as follows: There will be no one of you who will not enter it (Hell). This was an inevitable decree of your Lord. Afterwards he may save some of the pious, God-fearing Muslims out of the burning fire. - - - Sura 19:71-72 So, perhaps some pious Muslims will escape hell. --Maybe. But maybe not. Allah "may" leave every last one in eternal hell-fire. I, for my part, am thankful to have Jesus Christ as my great and powerful savior, because no one who truly trusts in him will ever experience any of hell, and there are multiple guarantees that there is "no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). -- There is no condemnation now, nor in the future, in hell. Ever. **Some people feel that there are statements in the Hadiths (Commentaries on the Koran) which are possibly fulfilled predictions, --however, the Hadiths are not considered to be actual Scripture from God, so the Hadiths will not come into consideration. What do you think?

I'll read your blog, but did you even read what I wrote? (I wrote this to him, because he sent me a response to the above, pretty much 3 seconds after I sent it.)

I didn't reach the conclusion I have because I am unread, and haven't searched for answers. I read what you wrote,(he couldn’t have. He sent me a response just as fast as I sent my message. He couldn’t have had time to read it.) but it is wrong. Read the blog, and have an open mind. Confirmation bias is no way to seek out Truth. I know what you are doing, as I did it myself when I was a Christian trying to defend my beliefs.

seriously.. this is not an effort to defend my beliefs. How can you sit back and say.. it’s wrong. There were plenty of Prophecies I brought up, that are indeed not wrong. There is scientific evidence to back them up. I am not saying you are unread. But really, where are you now? Everything in your blogs are just copied opinions of someone else. Like I said before. I do not wish to talk you into the bible friend. I do not wish to talk you into "The judeo Christian GOD." I sent those last comparisons to you in an effort to make you sit back and think about it again. It was in an effort to make you consider - These people Im reading- might possibly be wrong. And if they are wrong, Then I am sending myself, and millions of others- to hell with me. And as far as the Muslims.. It doesn’t matter if they are brainwashed by Christianity or atheism... because their bible says their probably all going to hell anyway!


Just read it and stop making excuses. Your "prophecies" are covered there. FAILED PROPHECIES I have done TONS of reading my friend. You need to play catch up.

alright, I can see you are beginning to get a little upset. Know that I did read through your blog, and the links you provided. Believe me when I tell you, I really do understand where you are coming from. I myself, have studied these things also, and have "tons of reading" Im thinking I should end this here, if you wouldn’t mind. I do not wish to make you angry. Thank you for talking with me. I have taken everything you've written and sent, and burned it into my brain. It is there now, and it is something I will continually learn from. I pray that one day, you yourself, will take these things I've sent you, into consideration as well. Peace be with you Gadfly. and please REMEMBER: If I am wrong, Nothing happens. If you are wrong, YOU and millions of others, are subject to eternity without GOD.

whatever, you are being dishonest here, and you are wasting my time.
(I chose not to respond after that, It was obvious it was no longer possible to talk with him, without a fight, or harsh words. but soon after this message, he sent me another)

HERE IS WHY YOUR STATEMENT, "and please REMEMBER: If I am wrong, Nothing happens. If you are wrong, YOU and millions of others, are subject to eternity without GOD." is NOT convincing
This is where it ends.
What do you think?

What does it mean to be "Saved"? And why Do I need it??

People often ask me, "Why do I need to be saved?"

"You must be born again. Salvation is found in no-one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people by which we must be saved." Holy Bible, John 3:7 Acts 4:12 NIV

Because we are a fallen creation, (Meaning- Eve ate the apple, swallowing the sin and then passing it on to her children) We are now filled with sin. "For all have sinned and fall short of he glory of God." Romans 3:23
God has made the decision to come to down from Heaven, in the flesh, to be a sacrifice for all sin.
"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14
When we open our hearts and believe and accept this gift, by asking Jesus to come into our hearts and "Save us." - The bible says that we pass from Death, to life. This means that without the belief in Jesus and what he did, We are dead in our sins. It's simply not enough to just believe in GOD. When we die, We will not be cleansed and cannot enter into the gates of Heaven, to be ru-united with our Heavenly father.

If this is something you'd like to explore more (I urge you friends) Take some time to open up your bibles, and study the books of MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, and JOHN. These are the four Gospels. These are four eye witness accounts, from the apostles that walked and followed after Jesus while on earth. After he died, They were given a job, which was to "Seek and Save" The lost.

Accepting Jesus into your heart is simple, as long as its something you want. Go somewhere quiet, If its possible, I recommend getting as low to ground as possible. Just start talking to Jesus. The words will come out. You will start to fill things like guilt and sadness. This is just your conscience bringing to light the reasons you need Jesus to save you. Speak about these things, and ask our father to forgive you for them. Ask him to cleanse you of all unrightiousness. He will. He will save you and has been waiting. It doesnt matter what your friends say, or your parents. It doesnt matter if the preacher tells you there is no hope for you! Dont listen to that. Listen TO GOD.

After you pray, and ask him to forgive you, believe his word, and study it! The more you study it, The more you learn, the more you understand. Your faith begins to build as well as your love for him. Please let me know either way, so we can talk about it. :)

No Greater Love - recut

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